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this time i'm skeptical

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so now the time haters the end slavery

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times right

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we explore history

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and why we might want to be skeptical of

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those who are so keen to revise history

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no i'm not referring to dave chappelle

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in this skit where he takes his fellow

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haters back to slavery times it's

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related to that but before we can get

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let's go back to dave

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oh fellowship looks as though we have

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company what the hell are you [\h__\h]

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doing out here we are the time haters we

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traveled all the way back through time

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to call you a cracker

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better watch your mouth

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white boy

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he don't pull that a whip

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nice whip

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this here is a pistol

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reach for the sky hunky okay

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okay

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hunk is a racial epithet

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used for white people it was made

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popular by a man named george jefferson

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in the 1970s convoluted story i'll admit

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but the point is this

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that in the future

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all black people will be free

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this is what stopped the whole show as a

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matter of fact i i can predict this

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episode coming to a screeching halt

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right now but i'll show it

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when's we gonna be free

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that is a good question my man

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apparently shooting a slave master isn't

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so dave chavel is a master not only at

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comedy but at social commentary

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and what he's really talking about is

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kind of interesting if you listen to the

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subtext he's saying that skit didn't go

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over well because our culture isn't

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comfortable seeing silky in his time

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traveling haters going back in time and

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shooting a slave owner especially when

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he emphatically repeats it three times

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so this clip could have led to a lot of

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interesting discussions about social

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order social control all topics that

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today's guest the fantastically talented

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author james true is certainly capable

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of talking about

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but it didn't turn out that way

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james as it turns out as a civil war

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revisionist

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you know the enslavement of all those

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africans in the south wasn't that big of

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a deal there was white slavery country

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was founded on slavery not many people

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in the south owned slaves all this kind

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of stuff which

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doesn't exactly conform to the facts but

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is a thread that you'll find out there i

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didn't find out there with james and i

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looked and i read a lot of his books i

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just didn't know this or i wouldn't have

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done the interview but i did do the

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and i felt like there was a point to be

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we can't get anywhere if we can't face

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so maybe at the risk of jumping around

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too much i'm going to play one more clip

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and it's a clip from 1965

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and malcolm x and this is like a racial

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civil rights issue right

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no this is not listen to this clip

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through the lens of what's happening

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right now in terms of rights liberties

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the outspoken negro leader

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some of the people of your group i think

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to me that you were advocating

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violence to meet the serious injuries

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that have been done your people with

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violence uh i don't in any way encourage

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black people to go out and initiate acts

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of aggression indiscriminately against

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whites but i do believe that the black

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man in the united states and any human

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is well within his right to do whatever

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protect his life and property especially

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in a in a country where the federal

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government itself has proven that it is

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unable or unwilling to protect the lives

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and property of those human beings

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dang how does that play today

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in a take the jab put on the mask and

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shut the [\h__\h] up you will comply or else

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it blinds us from the lessons that

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back to how it went off the rails

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interview with miguel connor and his

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excellent book on

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one of which was this remarkable quote

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this is not a battle of good versus evil

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this is a battle of you

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versus lack of you uh that's from uh

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james true which is his book best

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apocalypse ever

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okay so i love that quote you can see

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why i love that quote it's so gnostic

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it's so non-dual it's so yogic and then

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there's all this great dense social

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commentary and really really smart stuff

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i wanted to have this guy on the show i

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was excited to have him on the show and

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it started out okay

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but it quickly went off the rails

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welcome to skeptico james is just a

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fantastically talented author

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his books are dense with brilliant

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social commentary and insights about

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i i am wearing my asheville hat

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in honor of how far are you from

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asheville

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uh right now i'm only about an hour

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12 years um so i'm close

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asheville is like the

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coolest kind of new southern hippie kind

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of austin of the appalachians right i

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is such a nasty word in america one of

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the reasons why

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so much politics is aimed at at shunning

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root chakra of amuraka

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it's the the base root

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of who we are

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to a village that had a population of 20

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to 40 000 people it was a thriving

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of what we were claiming was plymouth

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were mostly slaves white slaves

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rebel thing is really interesting

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that is going to be important for us

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coming clean with

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the rebel thing and what it means and

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what pride means and what you know honor

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means and all that kind of stuff because

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is a unique challenge you know i was

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reading and i have to say for the first

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time my lack of education

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but the biography of frederick douglass

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to abraham lincoln and really

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turned abraham lincoln into truly more

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of an abolitionist before that he was

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like hey hey hey just keep the union

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together you know we get a little we can

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live a little slavery here but and then

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frederick douglass is really the guy

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you can't do that and the other thing

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united states and in the south thanks to

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andrew jackson who saved our country at

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the battle of new orleans but gave us

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slavery just for the money of it which

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but the roman slavery was different half

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the citizens in rome were former slaves

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and they integrated with no problem we

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instituted long after everyone else had

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had given up on slavery just for the

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pure kind of

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insult to any morality we kept it gone

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we've never come clean on that and for

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is that that is somehow a southern issue

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like that is somehow a stain on the

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because of that war no it is it is a

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stain on george washington and we all

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entire on the entire country that we

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can't clean and i i think to get to the

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rebel that we need

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we gotta we gotta wash that laundry and

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we have no clue we have no clue how to

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wash that laundry what do you think

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this is going to be very delicate which

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it's such good mind control

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free presentation on white slavery

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that it is accurate

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to explain that there was something

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that i truly believe that the way this

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was a eugenics program

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from europe

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and that england was trying to rid

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themselves of their lowest common

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denominator because it made their land

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look at through history has actually

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been an eugenics program it has been the

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top priority of these people not to make

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us less racist or more racist

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it's been the top priority to simply

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control our population

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and i truly believe that the psychology

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that's been injected into us about the

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history of slavery

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only historically wrong

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but that it's used as a uh

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a a a kind of poison

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which subdues

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that would make us

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see through it

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that the ego itself that that the pride

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that we have in in ourselves is in fact

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and that the only way that anyone could

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control you is to attack your immune

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system so much to where the psychology

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of you even

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having something called pride is now put

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into question

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that the only way that you could do that

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is through an exodus is that you would

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want to move people away from their

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roots now you could physically move

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people away from their roots by shipping

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them over to amuraka

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and taking over a culture that already

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existed

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or

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if they're already there you could

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psychologically de-root someone by

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shaming

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their heritage

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that through the purpose of shaming

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someone's heritage we now no longer look

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at our roots for

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substance that we no longer pull

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reverence from our roots which makes

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them die off and that that would be the

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most

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effective way to manage a population

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is to psychologically have the grass

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that has the shortest routes

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possible and so it's a very sensitive

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issue

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i think that that literally when we talk

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about black slavery we are pedestalizing

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a minority simply by color and we're

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claiming that they are a victim and i

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think that by doing that we're actually

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uh really hurting them too

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that we we say things like well but the

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black people can't vote because they

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can't afford to get driver's license we

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say this in front of society and we're

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calling it sensitive the whole time yeah

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no no everybody everybody gets that

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they're competent everyone's a competent

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individual right everyone's a very

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competent person that has the ability to

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do all these things however we've been

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injected this history that causes the

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separation which makes us constantly

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living on edge about how racist we are

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that's a psychological tactic

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it's like a shock collar

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on a ball right

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i got you on that i got you on but there

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there's there's another there's another

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side to it too that i'm not looking for

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a fight what i'm looking for is terra

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firma a lot of times but right now we're

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talking about slavery and racism and

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part of the terra firma for me is this

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history i mean you read frederick

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douglass man and it is history here's

343
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where i was born i don't know when i was

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born because they didn't tell you when i

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was born i didn't know who my mother was

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because they had figured out that you

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break the bonds between a child and his

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mother if you want to be

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effective in controlling that slave if

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that slave has a strong paternal kind of

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bond and the other mind control aspect

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that i picked up from frederick douglass

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is when he does get to the north and he

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gets to massachusetts

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he's stunned

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that the system works up there

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that the economic system works

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because he had been kind of brainwashed

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into this idea that well we got to have

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slavery i mean that's the only way this

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machine that we have can work and he

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says i'm stunned because a guy who just

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works down at the dock he lives in a

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nice house he reads all these great

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journals and papers from all over and he

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has books on his bookshelf and he eats a

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meal in a warm house every day i was

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convinced that that couldn't happen

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because they didn't have slavery so

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i think we got to deal with the history

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and then we got to deal with this let me

372
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play you this clip guaranteed to piss

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you off but that's okay

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how do we teach race and racism in

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america tonight we speak with teacher

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matthew hahn who was fired from a rural

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tennessee high school after teaching

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high school kids about white privilege

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you were reprimanded for assigning an

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article titled the first white president

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and you were terminated after you played

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a video by a spoken word artist called

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white privilege here's part of that

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video

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what is white privilege

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it is the only five decades of legal

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acknowledgement expected to correct 400

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years of white transgression

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what did you want your students to learn

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from the article and also the spoken

391
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word poem it's a class where i get to

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introduce students to a variety of

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perspectives you know what better

394
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perspectives to to listen to in a school

395
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that's almost entirely white in a county

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that's almost entirely white then

397
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award-winning author ta-nehisi coach and

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an avant-garde poet kyla janae lacy

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okay you you got all that right

400
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what are your thoughts

401
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i don't think that

402
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that what happened to frederick douglass

403
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when he grew up was an exclusive black

404
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experience

405
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and i know that every time there's any

406
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writing that comes out that's actually

407
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explaining what it was like to be an

408
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irish immigrant in america that that

409
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book is not not included and in fact

410
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purposely excluded

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in any kind of history

412
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and there's other people who wrote

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accounts you know there's a woman i

414
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forget her name but for the longest time

415
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they just wouldn't believe that this was

416
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a real

417
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biography and then they found eventually

418
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some genealogical records that

419
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verified what she said but she said look

420
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if you're a woman born into slavery in

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the south you're just getting raped all

422
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the time you're getting raped or your

423
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fear of rape all the time that's just

424
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the way that it is so to me that's terra

425
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firma frederick douglass is terra firma

426
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that's a life

427
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what he's describing i don't think we

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can find a counter argument that says

429
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that isn't the the experience of the

430
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majority of those enslaved people

431
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in those states i mean that to me seems

432
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like it's true and the other part that

433
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seems like it's true is you know because

434
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it it again it to me it reverberates

435
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with what's going on today is they were

436
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kind of playing this game the people in

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power who were

438
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who were so dependent on the financial

439
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:13,120
institution of slavery they were playing

440
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this game well you know we're going to

441
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stop importing slaves you know and oh if

442
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we just

443
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regulate the rum industry a little bit

444
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that'll kind of really bring us in line

445
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but the whole thing really blows up

446
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when john brown steps in

447
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john brown is the guy right he's an

448
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abolitionist in the north he's a

449
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christian and i'm not religious i'm not

450
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christian but he's a christian he says

451
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no way does this [\h__\h] make sense and he

452
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keeps saying we gotta fix this we gotta

453
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fix this we can't go on and eventually

454
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he gets his kids his

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flesh and blood and says we're starting

456
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:51,039
a slave rebellion and he goes down he

457
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,720
breaks into the army and he grabs all

458
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,480
those guns and he says we're going to

459
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start a slave rebellion

460
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and it doesn't work

461
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partly because the slaves are like that

462
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,440
ain't gonna work you know i mean i'm

463
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with you philosophically but that ain't

464
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gonna work

465
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but if you read the historical record

466
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that's when the cells said this is not

467
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gonna be resolved

468
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with this kind of

469
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political peddling only like

470
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:18,160
maybe two percent of people in the south

471
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actually own slaves

472
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and so i know how romantic you know you

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know that's such a mess that's such a

474
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misunderstanding because there are so

475
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many there are so many more people who

476
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are renting slaves so if you rented a

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slave to bring in your crops and you

478
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know you [\h__\h] the woman who you rented

479
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no you never owned that slave but i mean

480
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frederick douglass was loaned out to

481
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like five different people

482
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so as you know if you've listened to the

483
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show i rarely ever jump in in the middle

484
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of these interviews but since i've

485
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stepped all over this one i might as

486
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well jump in here because when he said

487
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that two percent thing it's like god

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that just doesn't sound right it doesn't

489
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sound like anything i've ever heard and

490
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that's because it's just completely a

491
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ridiculous number that revisionists

492
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throw around it's like taking the total

493
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number of slaves and the total number of

494
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the population in the united states a

495
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more meaningful stat would be how many

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households in the 11 confederate states

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owned slaves and if you do that census

498
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you get something like 25 30 percent and

499
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then when you multiply it by the loaning

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out factor you get a much more realistic

501
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figure but let's

502
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let him go on back to the interview

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you don't even know about white

504
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indentured servitude do you like you

505
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don't even know what that means of

506
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course i mean

507
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you just described you just described

508
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what what happened in boston literally

509
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every single day

510
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pre-pre-civil war

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and that the same abolitionists that

512
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were saying that hey this terrible thing

513
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is happening to black people literally

514
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we're trading contracts for

515
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seven-year-old girls at church

516
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that they had a a a 12-year contract on

517
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a seven-year-old girl

518
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that was that was dropped off a boat and

519
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yes how did they get the contract

520
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because they bought it well that's

521
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horrible

522
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we are in total agreement that's why i

523
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say the stain is not just on the south

524
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country that was the entire

525
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country the entire country but but james

526
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that's why i said this this stain is not

527
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on the south and it has to be washed

528
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clean from the country but i don't some

529
00:20:25,310 --> 00:20:23,840
way it's even a stain

530
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i think that you're you're actually

531
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misunderstanding

532
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even what was truly happening there

533
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because at the same time alex

534
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someone like you or me

535
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was waking up drunk on a boat

536
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and suddenly on our way over here

537
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and even back to frederick douglass one

538
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of the things he mentions in his book is

539
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he's he the way he actually gets out is

540
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that

541
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he makes it a better economic deal for

542
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his slave owner who he's been loaned out

543
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to

544
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he makes it a better economic deal for

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him

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to be able to

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go basically free work at the shipyards

548
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,799
in baltimore i think it is

549
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and then bring his wages back to him

550
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but in the process of doing that he gets

551
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to go out and mix with other people and

552
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,120
one of the people he mixes with are

553
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:15,440
these irish guys and they're like you

554
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,240
mean you're born a slave and then you

555
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,880
are never not a slave and then all your

556
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,039
kids are automatically slaves they're

557
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like i mean we know the whole indentured

558
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,880
servitude thing we know coming over

559
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,280
slavery but that ain't right you know

560
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and it is part of this awakening if you

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read the guy's book that

562
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he has to wrap his head around the idea

563
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that

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what he's been told just like in the

565
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same way that we're told all this uh

566
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,360
christian stuff that doesn't exactly

567
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:45,679
mesh with history you know to wipe that

568
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clean is a whole process in and of

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itself that i just don't know that it

570
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fits exactly with the way you're

571
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spinning it

572
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i don't know what to tell you because

573
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you keep implying that the story of

574
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frederick douglass was something that

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that was a black person experience and

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i'm just telling you that the history

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[Music]

578
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yeah that's the real problem james is

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the history tells you it is

580
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final clip this one's from a netflix

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series amend about the 14th amendment

582
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got to watch the first two episodes

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where they really get into the history

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of course then as it always does with

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the social engineering it gets a little

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wonky with the black lives matter if the

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glove don't fit you must acquit

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silliness and a complete lack of

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integrity looking at the criminal

590
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forensic evidence associated with so

591
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many of the cases they're protesting

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about but

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we shall not go there we will stay

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focused on history

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and how the revision of history doesn't

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help any of us

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so in this clip as you're about to hear

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it's a speech by frederick douglass in

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1852 when he's become one of the most

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dynamic sought-after and powerful

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speakers

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in the united states

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14 years after he escaped enslavement

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unbelievable

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and also this is this is pre-civil war

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by a good 10 years so here's frederick

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douglass this is real history

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[Music]

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the ladies anti-slavery society of

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rochester new york

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invited frederick douglass to speak on

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the 4th of july

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600 people

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came to corinthian hall for this event

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[Music]

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fellow citizens

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the signers of the declaration of

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independence were brave men

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your fathers succeeded

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and today

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you reap the fruits of that success

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douglas makes his audience feel very

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comfortable about the fourth of july

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he says the founding fathers were

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geniuses they created this beautiful

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thing called the american republic

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and then there's a moment where he says

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pardon me

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what have i or or those who i represent

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the fourth of july is yours not mine you

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may rejoice

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i must mourn

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do you mean citizens to mock me

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and then he blasts away at his audience

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with a litany of the terrors and horrors

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of the slave trade slave auctions in the

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american south

638
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he tells him what the whole of a slave

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ship smelled like he tells them the

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sounds and the feelings of a woman

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weeping as her child was sold

642
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he takes them to the horrible heart of

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what slavery actually is to rob them of

644
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their liberty to work them without wages

645
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to beat them with sticks to flay their

646
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flesh with lash to knock out their teeth

647
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to burn their flesh

648
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your shouts of liberty and equality your

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sermons and thanksgivings are mere

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hypocrisy

651
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there is not a nation on earth guilty of

652
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practices more shocking and bloody than

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other people of the united states at

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america is false to the past false to

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the president solemnly binds herself to

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allow me to say in conclusion

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i do not despair of this country

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the doom of slavery is certain and i

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with hope

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hope

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sent down through the ages like a time

662
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capsule to serve us when we need it most

663
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sent from a true gladiator of the light

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that's gonna do it for this episode of

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skeptico

666
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thanks to james true for joining me i've

667
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,520
never chopped up an interview like this

668
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but

669
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i just i i really wrestled with it back

670
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and forth and i just didn't see any

671
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other way to do it i mean we gotta stand

672
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for truth we have to stand for a

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reasonable and accurate accounting of

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our history so i jumped all over this

675
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one i'm not gonna tee up a question

676
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just tell me what you think i got lots

677
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more coming stay with me for all of that

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until next time take care and bye for

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now